• Josh Bennett

    Instructor Front Desk
    Team Edgeworks Head Coach, Climbing School Instructor, Front Desk

    Josh started climbing at Edgeworks 3 years ago, after getting dragged in by a friend. He quickly fell in love with bouldering and now spends his weekends exploring pristine Washington granite boulders; he especially likes climbing along the Skykomish River. He makes it a point to get out once each week even if just to hike to a potential climbing area he found on Google Earth. He’s always excited to talk climbing beta and climbing movies (ask him if he’s seen them all yet). His best days are spent in the sun with good friend, and better beer, climbing awesome things in awesome places.

  • Berndt Bittlingmaier

    Instructor Guide
    Climbing School Instructor, Guide

    American Mountain Guide AssociationBerndt grew up in Alaska and lived in Guam for 7 years before settling in Washington for college. He began rock climbing in 1999 at Mt Erie and loves going back for the views and variety of routes.

    A career Firefighter/EMT, Berndt has a passion for learning and instructing. He has instructed at local community and technical colleges since 2005, as well as for local Mountain Rescue groups. He is an AMGA Single Pitch Instructor and completed the Alpine Skills Course. As an Instructor with Edgeworks, he hopes to increase the size of the Tacoma climbing community, while having fun and mitigating risks in the outdoors.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    AMGA Certified Single Pitch Instructor

  • Tod Bloxham

    Office Guide Instructor
    Owner, General Manager, Climbing School Director, Head Guide

    Wilderness Medicine InstituteAmerican Mountain Guide AssociationAmerican Mountain Guide AssociationAmerican Mountain Guide AssociationTod Bloxham was born and raised in Washington State, spending his adolescence exploring the mountains of the North Cascades. By the age of 18 Tod had logged well over 500 miles of North Cascades trails and backcountry and had hiked 2,700 miles of the Pacific Crest Trail, becoming the youngest solo through-hiker to travel the entire PCT from Canada to Mexico. As a climber, Tod has been climbing and skiing the backcountry since 1991, logging hundreds of ascents of rock, ice and ski routes in North America and abroad.

    Life in the outdoors and work must coexist for Tod; professionally, Tod has been guiding since 1999, and as the owner of Edgeworks Climbing, Tod is either helping his beautiful wife show the wonders of the outdoors to their two girls, sharpening his skills on the alpine and trad climbs he pursues, or helping people discover that the outdoors and climbing can be a lifelong pursuit that is inspiring and invigorating.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    AMGA Certified Alpine Guide
    AMGA Certified Rock Guide
    AMGA Certified Rock Instructor
    Wilderness First Responder
    AIARE L1 Avalanche Course Leader
    AIARE L2 Avalanche Instructor
    AIARE L3 Avalanche Forecaster

  • Sarah Chandler

    Yoga Instructor

    Practicing yoga since the mid 90's, Sarah was inspired by a friend who thought she could benefit from yoga while she was pregnant, since then she has explored many different types of yoga and has enjoyed them all.

    Sarah loves how much we can benefit from yoga practice - the change of our self. She believes our bodies love exercise. And after taking her class, you’ll see that when we take care of our bodies; our bodies take care of us.

  • Erica Chang

    Yoga Instructor

    Erica has practiced yoga since 2010 and recently completed her 200 hour yoga teacher certification with Pamela Higley at Samdhana Karana Yoga. She has also completed the Yoga Behind Bars training and volunteers at Remann Hall, teaching yoga and meditation to youth.

    With yoga, she has found a melding of the best things in her life: spirit, athleticism, sweat, breath, laughter, community, and rhythm. Her goal as an instructor is to offer a space to explore, allowing others to become curious about what they are capable of as they leave a little stronger, a little softer and a lot more balanced.

  • Mary Chen-Johnson

    Yoga Instructor

    Mary's devotion to yoga rests in part on the giving nature of it. That is, the more yoga is practiced, the more gifts it bestows. Her focus is on yoga as a map to wellness: the physical practice of building strength, flexibility, and balance may also translate into a metaphor for everyday life. This is also her focus in teaching. She enjoys creativity in yoga sequences--sometimes incorporating dance elements that provide similar benefits--and a relaxed class atmosphere in which laughter is encouraged.

    Practicing yoga since 2002 and undergoing teacher training through Integrative Yoga Therapy in 2006, Mary has been guided by teachers including Joseph Le Page, Lilian Le Page, Ellen Shaffer, and Joyce Anue and continues to attend additional training when she can. She is a registered yoga teacher with Yoga Alliance.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    Yoga Teacher Training - Integrative Yoga Therapy, E-Registered Yoga Teacher 200 hours, Unnata Aerial Yoga, Pranayama, Mudras, Pranic Healing, Therapeutic Applications of Yoga Asanas

  • Front Desk Supervisor, Route Setter, Climbing School Instructor, Fitness Coach

    USAC Route SetterMatt Coleman has been climbing since 2010; as a lifestyle it has taight him to be humble as well as has taken him to cool places around the northwest and meet amazing popele in the community. His favorite climbing areas are Squamish and Smith Rock and is quickly getting to know other climbing hotspots of the west coast. Matt give back to the community of climbers through trail maintenance and access projects as well as promoting climbing to people with disabilities. In his own words "all people should have an opportunity to experience the freedom of being outside".

    When not climbing Matt is very active; he is committed to biking (both for commuting and fun), camping, and testing microbrews. Don't be surprised if see Matt whizzing by on his bike, he's probably going climbing.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    USAC Level 1 Route Setter

  • Haley Comfort

    Youth Instructor

    Haley began climbing in 2007 when she enrolled in a youth program at Edgeworks. She quickly fell in love with the sport, and the gym became her “second home”. Recently, she finished up her Bachelor’s degree in Public Health at UW in Seattle. There, she helped lead the UW Climbing Team as they competed with other colleges around the Pacific Northwest. Now, she has returned to the Tacoma area for the summer to teach camp for her 5th consecutive year!

    Having just finished college, Haley hasn’t had much free time, but she does enjoy hanging out with her friends or cat, eating her mom’s baked goods, and watching too much reality television when she’s not climbing. This summer she hopes to find more time to climb outside, improve her slacklining skills, and train. If you see her in the gym, come say hi as she always enjoys climbing with new friends!

  • Program Manager, Climbing School Instructor, Guide, Route Setter

    American Mountain Guide AssociationWilderness Medicine InstituteUSAC Route SetterWhen Andy Davis graduated in 2004 with a degree in music performance from the University of Puget Sound he was searching for work and stumbled upon a climbing gym under construction. A couple days later he was the first employee hired by Edgeworks and the rest is history.

    When he is not working here he leads month long climbing and mountaineering courses for the National Outdoor Leadership School, takes inner city kids on outdoor adventures, and teaches Backpacking courses at UPS. Other interests include backcountry skiing, sailing, playing the clarinet, kayaking, running, slacklining, practical jokes, and good beer.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    AMGA Certified Rock Instructor
    Wilderness First Responder
    USAC Level 2 Route Setter
    Leave No Trace Master Trainer

  • Mike Dove

    Route Setter

    USAC Route SetterMike has been working in the climbing industry since 2008 when he started setting and teaching at the Central Washington University rock wall; as a climbing professional for Edgeworks, Mike is an a USAC Level 1 Route Setter.

    Mike enjoys heading out to Leavenworth to “practice climb” as often as he can, and tries to make sure he gets to Bishop once a year. He also likes the feel of boar’s hair because it’s just… better.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    USAC Level 1 Route Setter

  • Lisa Ferazza

    Instructor Front Desk
    Youth Programs Manager, Team Manager/Coach, Climbing School Instructor, Front Desk

    Lisa has been climbing at Edgeworks since January 2005 and joined the gym in June 2009. Whether working or playing, she loves being a part of the Edgeworks community. In addition to front desk duties, she's a Junior Program instructor teaching new young climbers the art of crushing.

    When she's not monkeying around in the gym, her favorite activity is climbing outdoors (of course). She likes everything, from steep and juggy to vertical and balancey. She's been all over the Pacific Northwest, down South, and Thailand! Her next goal is Rocklands in South Africa.

  • Front Desk, Youth Instructor, Climbing School Instructor, Party Coordinator

    Maria spent most of her childhood summers camping, swimming, and cycling with her family. Her first climbs were at a summer camp adventure course and a now-closed sporting goods store in central Ohio, where she grew up. It wasn’t until 2015, though, that she truly discovered the sport of climbing.

    Now, as a party coordinator at Edgeworks, Maria hopes to help guests young and old realize, as she has, how fun, challenging, and rewarding climbing can be.

  • Front Desk Supervisor, Climbing School Instructor, Team Edgeworks Coach, Guide

    American Mountain Guide AssociationJimmy was born and raised in Kansas City and has been outdoor obsessed since he was 12 years old. He has been all over the United States participating in a multitude of different outdoor activities from canoeing to adventure races.

    While earning his degree at Kansas State Jimmy began climbing as an alternative to his traditional workout routine but soon it was an addiction. Jimmy went on to set multiple climbing records at K-State including the first ever to reach the one mile mark (132 ascents) and the High Flyer award earning the highest overall altitude reached at roughly 1.5 miles or 170 ascents. Soon after college Jimmy became a certfied PCIA Climbing Instructor and booked the earliest flight to Washington where he could pursue his dream of becoming a guide.

    If you see Jimmy in the gym make sure you say hi or give a really hard high five because he loves meeting new people, sharing climbing stories, and giving away top secret beta.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    AMGA Certified Single Pitch Instructor
    PCIA Certified Climbing Instructor

  • Samitha Hendrickson

    Instructor Fitness
    Youth Instructor, Yoga Instructor

    I fell in love with climbing during my college years up in Bellingham, WA. I have been climbing off and on ever since that 1st day climbing outside over the water with friends. The best parts of climbing are not only the workout and fitness, but also getting to know others and building friendships. I enjoy sharing this hobby with friends and family and bringing a new experience to them.

    When I am not climbing in the gym you can find me teaching yoga, painting, hiking, working with kids, and traveling. I love to be outside whether it is a walk to the water, running on trails, or rock climbing with friends. If you see me in the gym feel free to come on over and chat or climb with me. I love meeting new people at the gym! I hope to see you on the rock wall!

  • Liza Higbee-Robinson

    Yoga Instructor

    Liza’s yoga practice began when she was 19 years old, a college student and long distance runner looking for a counter-activity to help her body with recovery and healing processes. She found that, and so much more. As a beginner, Liza found yoga to be very difficult, often uncomfortable and even painful; yet, she appreciated the ways that yoga challenged her, not just her physical strength and flexibility, but also her mental focus and her emotional response cycle. Yoga gradually transformed Liza from being a person with severe perceived limitations and finite comfort zones to one willing to go out on a limb and move through discomfort in order to learn more about herself and grow. Liza views yoga as a constant unfolding and remembering of who we are, inviting us to peel through and shed layers of insecurity, doubt, shame and fear that we’ve accumulated throughout our lives. Yoga is a healing art, requiring us to simply show up for ourselves and be real with ourselves.

    In 2013, while living in Spain, she began her first yoga teacher training, only to return prematurely to support her dad as he fought terminal illness. She sought out a second teacher training upon her return home, and ended up joining one of her very first yoga teachers, Melissa Longfellow in her Power Vinyasa teacher training in Bellingham, WA. Since completing that training, Liza has taught over 1,000 hours of yoga right here Tacoma, WA, the town she grew up in. Her teaching is informed by Power Vinyasa, Rishikesh Hatha, Anusara Yoga traditions, among others. Her classes are originally crafted, energizing, full-body explorations. She aims to get you into your body and aware of your breath, with a mind that is untethered to past and future moments, and open and curious about who you are and what you are capable of right now. She encourages her students to practice from a place of self-honoring at all times.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    Registered Yoga Teacher Training - 200 hour

  • Riley Hume

    Setter Instructor
    Youth Instructor, Route Setter

    Born in the scorching deserts of Arizona, Riley moved to Washington at the age of 3 and has reaked havoc over the Pacific Northwest ever since. He began climbing in 2013, when he was 14 years old and by the time he turned 15, the awkward little guy knew he had found his passion. Riley dreams of climbing every second of every day and relishes every moment he spends dangling above a crash pad.

    Riley currently attends Tacoma Community College as a running start student, though his only aspirations are to travel the world living out of a van, only stopping to eat, sleep, and climb. He climbs at the gym every time he gets a chance and he's always ready for a conversation, even if he seems a little closed off. You'll know him by the blue hair and the determination to finish a project.

  • Michelle Johnson

    Instructor Events
    Youth Instructor, Party Coordinator

    Michelle began climbing in December 2013 when she was dragged to the gym by a friend and then couldn't stop. It quickly became a passion as she fell in love with the mental aspect it brought to exercise. Although not an expert by any means, she does love learning from others who most certainly have climbed more than her.

    Outside of the gym, Michelle is finishing up a degree in biology at PLU. In the past, she has worked at many summer camps, finds joy in sharing her passion with others, and is stoked to combine that with climbing. Spending copious amounts of time in the lab, climbing is a wonderful get away and if you see her around there's no doubt she's in a good mood.

  • Jayden Johnston

    Front Desk Instructor
    Front Desk, Team Edgeworks Coach, Climbing School Instructor

    Jayden grew up on the beaches of Southern California but found her passion for the mountains in the PNW. She started climbing at edge works in 2014, and continued gym climbing with Western Washington University's competitive climbing team. As for her outdoor adventures, she commutes via bike unless she climbing or camping in Squamish, index, or hiking an alpine approach in the Enchantments. She loves to get to know people of all ages and listen to all their life stories. he passion for teaching extends into learning as well, so stop by and say hello! Learn something new or share something with her!

  • Heidi Krotzer

    Yoga Instructor

    Heidi received a 500 hour certifications at Pacific Yoga Teacher Training and is well-versed in alignment-based vinyasa, pranayama, philosophy, anatomy and Sanskrit. She never stops learning and continues her education with her mentors as often as humanly possible.

    Heidi's classes focus on understanding the "why" of yoga. She believes that "effort for effort's sake" isn't necessary to find comfort and ease in a posture, once we know how to get there. Learning functional movement, while maintaining the integrity of the asana is the key to growth on the yoga mat. Learning to adapt and change the patterning in the body is the key to healing from past or current injuries to the mind, body and spirit. It is pretty common to find laughter and student engagement in her classes--how else do we learn?

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    Pacific Yoga Teacher Training - 500 hour

  • Assistant Manager

    Abbie was raised in the Puget Sound, where she was instilled with a love of the outdoors. She spent her days backpacking, snowshoeing, kayaking - you name it. She first came into contact with climbing as a kid at the pinnacle in REI. It looked super high and super scary, but she got over that fast and once on the wall she didn't want to come back down.

    When not climbing, Abbie can be found hiking, biking, crafting, finding new places to explore, or curled up on the couch with a good book. She recently moved back to Tacoma after 5 years away, and would love climbing and hiking partners, so come say hi!

  • Patrick McCabe

    Pilates Instructor

    After taking his first session of Pilates Patrick could not leave the studio. He was hooked due to the fact that he had more range of motion and better control than ever before. In 2007 Patrick received his Pilates certification. In 2008 he received another certification from PhysicalMind institute, as a continuing education course.

    Patrick tries to add function and every day connections to his classes. Whether he is referencing a route on the rock wall, or going into a lecture about the mechanics of running, you can use what you learn very quickly. His classes are open to all ability levels, and have each students abilities in mind. For a strong educational and moving experience, check out the Pilates class today.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    Initiation 101 - Pilates PhysicalMind Institute
    Group Ride Instructor - Body Training Systems

  • Cassandra Marohl

    Instructor Front Desk Guide
    Front Desk, Youth Instructor, Climbing School Instructor, Guide

    American Mountain Guide AssociationCassie began climbing during her time as a Student Ambassador with her local College Climbing Club. After a handful of day trips and some overnight alpine ascents, she began discovering a swelling sense of inner strength, empowerment, and freedom. Her passion for climbing was ignited. Cassie began working as an instructor for Edgeworks in the fall of 2015 and plans to become a guide!

    You may have seen Cassie climbing with her 4 year old son from time to time, he often shouts down at other climbers, "wow look at me!" Cassie's favorite aspect of teaching is being able to facilitate the joy and self growth that comes from climbing. Cassie also loves trying new things! Cycling has been a channel for a special cause that hits close to home for her: The Courage Classic Bicycle tour fundraiser for Mary Bridge Children's Hospital abuse intervention center. Keep on the lookout for an Edgeworks cycling team for this nonprofit!

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    AMGA Certified Single Pitch Instructor
  • Atalie Moore

    Front Desk Instructor
    Front Desk, Climbing School Instructor, Youth Instructor

    The first time Atalie climbed was because of her insistent brother. She resisted, for a time, because of her 'lack of upper arm strength' and the idea that climbing was for a certain type of person. She finally gave it a chance at Edgeworks in 2011, and has been slowly progressing ever since. She will tell you that she most enjoys climbing because of the social aspect, the thoughtfulness required, and the empowerment it instills. She loves that climbing is about growth, rather than an end result.

    Outside of climbing, she spends her time working with youth experiencing homelessness. The best part of her job is bringing the youth to Edgeworks! The same things that she loves about climbing are the things that benefit the youth. But really, she just loves anything that allows her to spend time with, and encourage, people she cares for. Her other interests include her dog Kula, reading, hiking and camping, drinking water (and encouraging others to do the same), discovering an affinity for cream ales, planning her wedding to Jimmy, and just generally finding things in common with people.

  • James Pope

    Operations Manager

    James was born and raised in Florida. He has been climbing since 2001 and began working in the Climbing industry in 2005. His love for the sport lead him to attend college for Architecture in the New England area affording him the ability to easily climb at places like Rumney, North Conway the Gunks and Pawtuckaway for nearly 8 years.

    Passionate about everything he does, James moved 3,200 miles to be part of the Edgeworks community! Be sure to say "hi" when you see him around; he loves meeting new people and since he is completely new to the PNW, odds are he will want to meet you and pick your brain about the very best spots for all things outdoors in the PNW!

  • Andrew Powell

    Guide Instructor
    Climbing School Instructor, Guide, Maintenance

    Wilderness Medicine InstituteAmerican Mountain Guide AssociationAndrew is a certified AMGA Single Pitch Instructor with a passion for sharing rock climbing with people of all ages. He started rock climbing on a whim in 2004 and has worked hard to become a well-rounded climber. In 2011, on a trip to the Red River Gorge, he tried his hand at “trad” climbing and has since begun a pursuit of longer, traditionally protected lines. He has a true affinity for all things traditional; such as well-placed stoppers, a map and compass (vs. GPS), and shaving with a straight razor.

    Andrew spends as much time as possible in the mountains and backcountry; climbing, skiing, and adventuring with friends. You'll find him cragging at Index, climbing around the Washington Cascades, or going to as many new destinations as possible when he is not teaching or leading trips for Edgeworks.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    Wilderness First Responder
    AMGA Certified Single Pitch Instructor

  • Michelle Scheele

    Marketing Manager, Accounting Assistant

    Michelle has been involved with Edgeworks since the spark and the dream planted itself in Tod’s mind while on their honeymoon in New Zealand in 2002. After spending 10+ years working in non-profit fundraising and adding two beautiful daughters to their family (Hailey and Kayla), Michelle officially joined the Edgeworks staff in 2013 as the Accounting Assistant and Marketing Manager.

    While you won’t often see her sending routes and pulling plastic in the gym, you will find her in yoga classes or belaying/chasing her kids up the wall. On weekends she can be found running around the North End, adventuring with Tod and the kids, or visiting family in Bellingham. Cooking, photography, and travel top her wish list of “hobbies”.

  • Jesse Spaulding

    Front Desk Instructor
    Front Desk, Climbing School Instructor

    Here at Edgeworks, Jesse is known for proudly boasting his white cotten socks with his climbing shoes. But there's much more to a climber than his socks! Jesse has spent his entire life living in beautiful Western Washington. At an early age he fell in love with the outdoors and the beauty that the PNW has to offer. Like so many others he tried climbing once and "caught the bug"! He has been climbing ever since.

    Jesse has dabbled in many aspects of the climbing lifestyle from dirtbag trips to development of new routes and obtaining first ascents. Jesse finds his passion for climbing through the thrill of an unknown adventure, but more importantly sharing the experience with others and giving back to the climbing community. One of his favorite joys is taking newer climbers outdoors to experience real rock for the first time! He is very ambitious and loves to teach. He loves sowing into the life of the new climber by teaching them everything from basic technique to technical outdoor systems. Jesse is the Western Washington chapter coordinator of Solid Rock- Climbers for Christ, and helps organize climbing events in WA state year round to give back to the climbing community that gives so much to him.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    PCIA Certified Single Pitch Instructor
  • Joe Stangel

    Route Setter
    Head Route Setter

    USAC Route SetterJoe started climbing at Univ. of Cincinnati where he quickly became a regular and then an employee. He spent years climbing all over the South but now, after clipping bolts at the Red for too long, prefers to plug gear on long multi-pitches or staying lower to the ground pebble wrestling. With the ultimate goal of combining the two to create the next great climbing discipline of big wall bouldering.

    Currently a USAC Level 1 Route Setter, Joe has been working to move up the ranks of USAC certifications. He has competed in two Setter's Showdowns and set for a handful of USAC competitions. When he's not climbing or turning a wrench, Joe likes to drink good beer, hike or bike up mountains and ski down them, and stare at maps while trying to figure out how to travel to places no one has ever heard of.

    Certifications / Qualifications:
    USAC Level 1 Route Setter

  • Allison Stephens

    Strength Instructor

    Allison Stephens has been a fitness instructor since 1998. She's taught many types of classes including indoor cycling, kickboxing, step aerobics, and outdoor boot camp. At Edgeworks, her cycling class is focused on building endurance, strength, and power that easily translates to outdoor cycling as well as many other adventures - including rock climbing!

    When she's not on her bicycle, Allison can be found playing the park with her 4-year old daughter, walking her dogs, or tossing a frisbee.

  • Rebecca Tatman

    Front Desk Instructor Setter
    Front Desk Supervisor, Route Setter, Climbing School Instructor

    Rebecca joined our staff team shortly after moving here from Germany. Her love of the mountains, ocean and her husband Corey are just a few of the many reasons she chose the great Pacific Northwest.

    She has been climbing for 5 years and has spent time enjoying the Alps and sport routes across Europe. Rebecca spent a couple years working at a climbing gym in Würzburg, Germany while finishing her Bachelor in Biology. When she’s not crushing rock climbs, you can find Rebecca in-line skating and hanging out with her friends.

  • Rebeca Wadsworth

    Yoga Instructor

    Rebeca has been practicing yoga since 2002 and started teaching in 2003. Rebeca teaches a flow style with the emphasis on alignment, pranayama and self study. Rebeca has received her 200 hr through YOGAFIT and 200 hr YOGAMAZE with Emissary Amy Petty and is RYT with Yoga Alliance.

    Her other passion is photography. You can find her photographs under her business name:, Instagram: @photo_eugenia, FB: Eugenia Gordienko

    Her intention as a yoga teacher and photographer is to seek and forge a connection through mind and body where we can explore diversity with honor and grace.

  • Jennifer Wheeler

    Party Coordinator

    Jen moved to Washington in 2015 from flat, dry, hot Texas to teach a classroom of first graders how to read. It didn't take long for her to find the Edgeworks community who helped her discover the mountains, forest, and boulders of the Pacific Northwest. Now she belays new climbers at parties to show them the challenge and overall awesomeness that is climbing.

    When not working, Jen is usually in the gym figuring out and sharing the best short-person climbing beta, or swinging in her hammock strung in unusual places. She'll take any chance she gets to learn new and fun ways to play outside!

  • Front Desk, Youth Instructor, Climbing School Instructor, Fitness Coach

    Jake was born and raised in a forested enclave in Tacoma. From a young age he developed a love of the natural world and a strong sense of wonder. His curiosity led him to Cresciano, Switzerland, where he climbed on boulders for the first time in 2006. Soon he had his own rock shoes, a stiff crash pad and a chalk bag which had “Amore a prima vista” stiched to the side. Running, hiking, skiing, surfing, mountaineering, skydiving, and a wealth of other flow states round out his affinity for movement—none of which he does particularly well but all of which he experiences with profound joy.

    His non-climbing interests include writing, training program design, lucid dreaming, Kurosawa films, cuisine no one else will eat, obscure British hip hop, The Zen Works of Stonehouse, laughing for no reason, light painting, and rolling around on the ground with his dog. He loves a solid high-five with good reverb, so make sure you help him practice when you see him!